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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 6:32:14 GMT
Jerry, Pete & bertram_boy Can you make out your house from this map?
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Post by pedro42 on May 3, 2013 6:41:00 GMT
Jerry, Pete & bertram_boy Can you make out your house from this map?
Hello Ray The house that we lived in doesn't appear to be on this map. I've arrowed where it should be. I notice that butlers is labelled "Globe Metal Works". Perhaps the mapis dated pre 1886 when I think ouy row of houses was built Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 8:23:22 GMT
Jerry, Pete & bertram_boy Can you make out your house from this map?
Hello Ray The house that we lived in doesn't appear to be on this map. I've arrowed where it should be. I notice that butlers is labelled "Globe Metal Works". Perhaps the mapis dated pre 1886 when I think ouy row of houses was built Hi Pete,Think you may be right, never noticed the 'Globe Works', However, I can state here categorically, that Jerry was living here then ! Map date is 1889.
Ray.
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Post by Jerry on May 3, 2013 10:32:53 GMT
Hello Ray The house that we lived in doesn't appear to be on this map. I've arrowed where it should be. I notice that butlers is labelled "Globe Metal Works". Perhaps the mapis dated pre 1886 when I think ouy row of houses was built Hi Pete,Think you may be right, never noticed the 'Globe Works', However, I can state here categorically, that Jerry was living here then ! Map date is 1889.
Ray. There you go knocking on about my age again! Well with age comes wisdom and I'm wise to you lot, I know a conspiracy when it stabs me! Anyway, there's something wrong somewhere. I've been doing some digging in my Kelly's directories and up to 1915 the stretch between Baker Street and Hawkes Street was all shops and houses. The next directory I've got after 1915 is 1940 and Butlers is listed then but even then it didn't take up the whole block because there's a cooked meat shop listed at 154 which was the first shop on the corner facing the Nelson. Up until 1915 at least there's no mention of a factory of any sort in that block. Jerry
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Post by jhedger on May 3, 2013 11:20:56 GMT
Oh shucks - the map runs out just before my old house - bottom end of Baker St!
Jan
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 13:36:55 GMT
This is the first picture I have seen showing the Market Hall with the roof on....
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Post by planetmalc on May 3, 2013 15:39:16 GMT
There you go knocking on about my age again! Well with age comes wisdom and I'm wise to you lot, I know a conspiracy when it stabs me! Anyway, there's something wrong somewhere. I've been doing some digging in my Kelly's directories and up to 1915 the stretch between Baker Street and Hawkes Street was all shops and houses. The next directory I've got after 1915 is 1940 and Butlers is listed then but even then it didn't take up the whole block because there's a cooked meat shop listed at 154 which was the first shop on the corner facing the Nelson. Up until 1915 at least there's no mention of a factory of any sort in that block. Jerry This is possible. Aerial photo's (all probably post-WW1) ) show Butler's office & works complex as being literally 'all under one roof' and not the hotch-potch of rectangles that are on the 1889 map (and anyway, Butler's Grange Road walls, as we knew them, look distinctly 20th century and are probably part of the rebuild of that entire block). Have I imagined it, or was the place known as 'Globe Works' on its advertising literature? Nothing to do with Butler's this, but I notice that 3 of the building rectangles in Baker Street have their corners joined via a diagonal cross - what does this mean? Finally, the map is so detailed that it even shows the dollops of horse-muck in Grange Road!
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Post by planetmalc on May 3, 2013 15:52:39 GMT
There's another member's house shown on that map; can you guess whose it is?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 15:55:28 GMT
There you go knocking on about my age again! Well with age comes wisdom and I'm wise to you lot, I know a conspiracy when it stabs me! Anyway, there's something wrong somewhere. I've been doing some digging in my Kelly's directories and up to 1915 the stretch between Baker Street and Hawkes Street was all shops and houses. The next directory I've got after 1915 is 1940 and Butlers is listed then but even then it didn't take up the whole block because there's a cooked meat shop listed at 154 which was the first shop on the corner facing the Nelson. Up until 1915 at least there's no mention of a factory of any sort in that block. Jerry This is possible. Aerial photo's (all probably post-WW1) ) show Butler's office & works complex as being literally 'all under one roof' and not the hotch-potch of rectangles that are on the 1889 map (and anyway, Butler's Grange Road walls, as we knew them, look distinctly 20th century and are probably part of the rebuild of that entire block). Have I imagined it, or was the place known as 'Globe Works' on its advertising literature? Nothing to do with Butler's this, but I notice that 3 of the building rectangles in Baker Street have their corners joined via a diagonal cross - what does this mean? Finally, the map is so detailed that it even shows the dollops of horse-muck in Grange Road! Hi planetmalc,
I see most of the roads have dollops of horse-muck on them, but by crikey, Grange Road grew the best roses!, no doubt down to the amount deposited! As for Butlers, on all the literature I have it says 'Atlantic Works'.Must meet up again, have a few books you can borrow. Ray.
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Post by planetmalc on May 5, 2013 15:03:36 GMT
This is possible. Aerial photo's (all probably post-WW1) ) show Butler's office & works complex as being literally 'all under one roof' and not the hotch-potch of rectangles that are on the 1889 map (and anyway, Butler's Grange Road walls, as we knew them, look distinctly 20th century and are probably part of the rebuild of that entire block). Have I imagined it, or was the place known as 'Globe Works' on its advertising literature? Nothing to do with Butler's this, but I notice that 3 of the building rectangles in Baker Street have their corners joined via a diagonal cross - what does this mean? Finally, the map is so detailed that it even shows the dollops of horse-muck in Grange Road! Hi planetmalc,
I see most of the roads have dollops of horse-muck on them, but by crikey, Grange Road grew the best roses!, no doubt down to the amount deposited! As for Butlers, on all the literature I have it says 'Atlantic Works'.Must meet up again, have a few books you can borrow. Ray. Ah yes, 'Atlantic Works' rings a bell. Always available for a meet-up; I'll bring some stuff of my own along.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 7:12:00 GMT
Going back to this map of 1889, if you walk past the entrance to Small Heath Park, showing the Lodge in situ, continue past and there are no buildings at all, just the large driveway into Wordsworth House. Wordsworth House is a large building and has substantial grounds, however, try as I might, I cannot unearth any info on Wordsworth House. Do you have any old books that mentions Wordsworth House?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 7:45:33 GMT
1889 MAP OF PORTION OF SMALL HEATHIn this map a number of points of interest stand out:
The small road cut through linking Victoria Street with Muntz Street is not yet complete. The White Lion Pub on Muntz Street is shown. The Vine Pub has not been built. Map shows the 'Green Lane Tavern' a few doors away from where the Green Lane Cinema is to be built.
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